#122: A Conversation With A Troll

This happened a few hours ago. I just wanted it recorded here to give the supporters of the proposal some idea of what to expect from some quarters when discussing it. Trolls come in a variety of flavors, but they all have a few characteristics in common. As you read the rest, notice how the attempt is made to SMEAR anyone who doesn't agree with THEM. I have no idea whether this was a real natural person or a bot, but it really doesn't matter because the usual techniques betray the intentions of the troll; to suggest that technology is more important than people, to suggest that anyone not going along with THEM is somehow stupid, misinformed or otherwise less than themselves, to suggest that unless we can provide all the underlying evidence for THEM, then we don't have any arguments against THEM. Where will this ultimately lead? I believe we are experiencing it already.

I posted my comments under a podcast or series of podcasts intended to extol the virtues of cryptocurrencies. This particular troll was a bitcoin fanatic. A fanatic is as Churchill reminded us, someone with a one track mind who wont change the subject. When fanaticism gets too strong a grip on a personality, perhaps they can't change the subject, even if they wanted to, not for an instant.

I began by posting one of my usual messages to get people to come here and read this blog to find out about what we really need to do instead of expecting or relying on anything from THEM:

2 concrete reasons to stay completely away from all cryptocurrencies:

1) NONE of the cryptocurrencies are OUR money because we did not issue them.

2) They are all creatures of the internet, which also doesn't belong to us and renders ALL internet based solutions irrelevant to our needs. And -

3) ALL cryptocurrencies are based on the FRAUDULENT scarce commodity as money paradigm, which only benefits speculators not producers. Cryptocurrencies ALL behave exactly as buy and hold securities investments, which are all subject to the whims of people who are beyond the reach of the average person, again go back to point 1 above.

So it's time to cut out all the foolishness, get out from under all THEIR intended social credit evil and the rest of it. Blockchain isn't even new. It was the basis for virtual machine operating systems on mainframe computers back in the 1960s. We refuse to be fooled anymore. We need our own money and nothing else will do – with a link back to here.

Someone other than the troll responded and said this:

Complete bullshit. Free people use whatever they want as money. [Presumably whole barter is intended, but some other means of monetary payment might be intended as well] Slaves argue for their own enslavement. Government is organized crime. Their money is shit.

This blog never advocated holding our governments in contempt, nor THEIR money. The role of a government is to enforce law, which is FORCE, upon all those under their jurisdiction. We have on the contrary advocated a deeper understanding of governments' perilous positions as “best credit risks” for THEM.

The question implied is the same as E. C. Riegel asked; can anyone unwilling to arrange payments for themselves using whatever they can agree to as money, be said to be free? Can there be ANY of the other freedoms understood in the Bill of Rights of the American Constitution (without which the rest would NEVER have been accepted) without economic or financial freedom? So, we agree with Riegel that we are all still slaves to whoever owns the money, which is THEM: globalists, BANKERS, elitists, technocrats (we think this particular troll is one of these), satanists, pederasts, scribes and Pharisees.

The first thing the troll says is that I need to do something to dispel the “delusion” that any of the foregoing criticisms of any and all of THEIR money are not suitable to replace THEIR stolen fiat paper currencies, which are always and everywhere recorded in accounts whether they be written in books or recorded on computers. He tells me:

You need to put some study time to dispel this delusion and learn about Bitcoin

I don't equivocate with anyone about ANY of THEIR money, so I responded: Since you are wrong, I won't even bother! Bitcoin and all cryptocurrencies are complete and utter trash! Be seeing you

One would normally expect that would be the end of it. But we have a fanatic on our hands here:

You wear your ignorance proudly, good on you.

It may have been a backhanded compliment from someone who insists on having the last word as a means of settling an argument; just outlast your opponent and you win. I'm not playing that way, so I responded:

Some things deserve to remain ignorant of on purpose. Cryptocurrencies are in that category. BTW, I was just told by someone who would know such things, that supercomputers are being used, actively and in future, to break all blockchain cryptocurrencies. If the Deep State cannot have its way, all the cryptocurrencies will revert to what they are worth, which is 0. Thanks and best

I thought that would be the end of it, but no:

No evidence of practical quantum computing exists, but little doubt many cryptos could be gamed to zero. They are not Bitcoin.

True fanatics are always oblivious to the obvious. What's the most obvious thing about ALL of THEIR money? IT'S NOT OURS! That's the first thing anyone needs to recognize about money, ANY money. So of course, I countered:

Just curious, are you a bot or a real natural person? I'm NEVER going to be interested in ANY cryptocurrency.

1) None of them are ours since we did not issue them
2) They are ALL based on a FALSE basis for money,
3) They are ALL internet based when most people do not want anything to do with the internet,
4) Bitcoin was developed by the CIA and everything said about it is a flat out LIE and
5) Bitcoin has been a vehicle for illicit trafficking networks.

Do you expect me to be impressed? Blockchain is not new. We were using it to run mainframe computers back in the 1970s. By far the most important DELUSION concerning Bitcoin and all the rest is that it could ever be ours. Be seeing you

Then the usual argumentum ad hominem attacks get going in earnest:

I can tell you have no interest in Bitcoin by the absolute rubbish you spew. Such breathtaking ignorance on display with an utterly uninformed opinion, and that's all it is since it is fact free without reference. I'm sure you can point me to the evidence for a cryptographically secured distributed blockchain utilising proof of work to secure it in 1970s, and the CIA's role in Bitcoin's creation. How can you in good conscience reveal your stupidity when you clearly don't even have a rudimentary understanding of the technology?

Was I even interested in the technology? Of course not! THIS IS ABOUT PEOPLE NOT MACHINES! So I let him have it!

Incredible! You have the impertinence of a savage dog! Get thee hence from me! You have no idea who I am or what I know, which is considerably more than you would even imagine. I'm sure you'll impress plenty of people with your imperious attitude! Disgusting!

Most would take heed and flee from anything further. But fanatics are NOT nice people to begin with:

Just as I thought, not a shred of empirical evidence in support of your deranged snowflake feelings. You are a part of what's wrong with this world, get a life man baby.

Isn't it wonderful how some people can just jump to whatever conclusion suits them? I responded:

I don't do research for other people especially strangers. The available data is out there. Do your own work, and try hard not to treat other people as badly as you have treated me. You might get further in life. Be seeing you.

Since I wouldn't expect this troll would quit, after all he has a lot invested in his fanaticism, I did him a favor and deleted my post so this is the only place for serious people to read the exchange. I usually admonish everyone not to feed trolls, but on the other hand most trolls are bullies who never got what they truly deserved because they have no respect for anyone but themselves and their stupid misuses of technology. Bottom line, most of these kinds hate other people. We on this blog like, value, respect and love others. Choose which way you would prefer to be treated. You'll see this has far more to do with everything else besides money.

Thanks and best

David Burton

dpbmss@mail.com